Iphone VS viewty oO????

[tomtoon]

also up until the recent iPhone update you could even send a message to two people at once.

LOL

Apple have marketed the iPhone wrongly by calling it "The Revolutionary Phone" because of a few reasons.

[chrisdaniels]

Ok, you guys seem to miss a few key points

1) Apple based it on their OSX OS. The performance is outstanding. This is a handheld device remember. Not a desktop/Laptop. Amazing.

2) Apple have started this from the ground up. Sure they are bound to have missed a few things but they are updated ! Where is LGs update huh ?

3) The downfall (to Apple) of using OSX is it is hackable. Its a plus point to the geeks like me.

4) Apple are releasing an SDK ! Any other phone company done this? nope..

5) iTunes. Its way better than WMP or any other player on Windows. Dont argue, its true. And again, its updated. When was the last WMP update?
Ok, locking iTunes to only sync with Apple products is a downfall to most, but there is a work around - iTunes Agent - google it.

7) Visual voicemail - how cool an idea is that?

8) The coolness

And i've not even mentioned the multitouch screen..

[deadlyvirus]

dude... you just convinced me to buy a iphone X_X

[PH47CH]

iphone still not for me, it has all the bells and whistle but not the major things that ppl really need in a fone, its huge for starters, u can listen to music but any phone these days can do that, its battery cannot be removed at all, what happens if the battery dies. the camera has no flash no autofocus so its really no good for pics at all. why bother puttin one in it in the 1st place. doesnt work in certain countries without a hack sim card. the way u use the screen is only a gimick and doesnt serve any real purpose.

ive had plenty of fones in my time and i will never buy an iphone, i hate the way itunes works i hate the way apples work. overall i still love my sony ericssons, i wont touch symbian, and previous to the viewty i hated lg's. i thought they were too kiddy for me, but the viewty has showed me otherwise, i still think its not pefect but it has wat i need in a fone, several other phones on the market do the same but for either more cost or less durability. the whole "i" range has been taken out of proportion. there are many other products out there that do what apple does for cheaper and does it better. and is more user friendly. my 2 cents

[joe13]

5) iTunes. Its way better than WMP or any other player on Windows. Dont argue, its true. And again, its updated. When was the last WMP update?
Ok, locking iTunes to only sync with Apple products is a downfall to most, but there is a work around - iTunes Agent - google it.

Right. Lets see, WMP loads in around under 3 seconds on my system and iTunes, nope still waiting... oh there you go 20 seconds later.
If you go delete a folder from your library iTunes still tells you the songs are in your library, even tho they don't exist any more, WMP isn't that stupid and actually scans the folders all the time. (I know iTunes does this, but badly).

WMP doesn't get updated because... it doesn't need it. Microsoft generally don't release new features in minor upgrades and I don't see many problems with it so it makes sense to stick it all the next version and give ppl a completely new product

Oh and whats that I can only buy songs from iTunes? And I can't legally transfer them to my Viewty.

Lets face it the iPhone is good, and the performance I'll admit is damn impressive but it's a bit lacking & Apple is worse than M$ these days.
(You don't see Apple having to make versions of its OS without Safari/iTunes)

[Jemster]

Originally Posted by joe13

WMP doesn't get updated because... it doesn't need it. Microsoft generally don't release new features in minor upgrades and I don't see many problems with it so it makes sense to stick it all the next version and give ppl a completely new product

Oh and whats that I can only buy songs from iTunes? And I can't legally transfer them to my Viewty.

WMP has been updated countless times, including the time they sneakily tried to install a version (9?) that catalogued every sound file on your PC and tried to enable DRM without people noticing (if you took all the default options). Oh Microsoft you are soooo good and honest. Also at the risk of stating the obvious, you don't HAVE to update iTunes every time it's offered! Generally it's offered to support a new store feature or iPod, if you don't use either you don't need to update, simple.

iTunes has DRM because at the time the labels demanded it. Because the labels are now unhappy with the iTunes dominance they're letting other suppliers finally remove DRM without letting iTunes do likewise to try to regain some control over the market. Non-DRMd tracks bought from iTunes can perfectly legally be put on your Viewty, there's nothing legal stopping you from putting DRM'd tracks on it too, but it wouldn't do much good

WMP doesn't actually support any mp3 players directly, not even Microsofts own Zune, this comes with its own kinda extended WMP that's been a major bugbear amongst users. So inherently it hasn't had as many updates, it doesn't interface with a shop, it doesn't interface with a player, it doesn't support sharing and streaming of libraries over your LAN, it doesn't support streaming of music to devices plugged in to your main stereo systems around the house (Airport Express), it doesn't support streaming of HD movies to your TV (Apple TV), it's several orders of magnitude less powerful than iTunes so of course it's updated less often.

And what's that rubbish about only buying songs from iTunes? You can buy songs wherever the heck you like, iTunes integrates with the iTunes store sure, but that doesn't MAKE you buy songs from there (and it can be disabled). Now remind me where the WMP store is? Oh right, no, sorry didn't think so.

Originally Posted by joe13

Lets face it the iPhone is good, and the performance I'll admit is damn impressive but it's a bit lacking & Apple is worse than M$ these days.
(You don't see Apple having to make versions of its OS without Safari/iTunes)

That's because Safari isn't tied into the OS file browser through low-level hooks - it isn't integrated into the damn OS, it's an application ON ITS OWN built on the open source webkit libraries. If you don't want it, fine, don't use it, it can be uninstalled. Unlike Explorer that ties into everything from the desktop down. I've built stripped down embedded Windows XP systems and see trying to remove Explorer manually? hahahaha forget it!

There are significant differences between tying something in at low level to the OS and shipping an application WITH the OS that you don't seem to be able to see.

Anyway, I feel I have to add on to the end of this post cos it seems like I think iTunes is wonderful and WMP sucks, that's not true, and, if I only had a Viewty and a collection of mp3's on my PC I'd not use iTunes as I don't need all the extra that it provides. I'd probably also use WMP or Winamp. It's just a matter of picking the right tool for the job.

I also think iTunes fits better into OS X than it does into Windows and although Apple have done well creating a cross-OS application that's similar in both environments, I personally would've preferred they made a Windowsy version for Windows and a Maccy version for Macs, it just would've been smoother.

[PH47CH]

my mate installed itunes coz he bought the ipod, he was removing songs from his playlist, but later found out it was removing the permenantly. he was so pissed, i personally prefer just drag and drop mp3 players, just like my sony ericsson k850 was. i never needed software to copy to and from the phone, the viewty is the same, i plug the cable in, it pops up with "what do i want to do" and then i transfer, now im fairly computer literate, ive built plenty of computers and have messed around with different types of software and i found itunes hard to use and hard to transfer songs. it also renamed every song he had, where as we had already typed them out all nice and neat ie
01 - song name.mp3

i downloaded safari and installed it and it never loaded, so figured it was crap anyway. i use mozilla and its great, way beta than ie7 or 8

doesnt lag like ie and can load more pages in one go.

back to the iphone vs viewty, i guess iphones will always work better with mac software but still in my eyes isnt really an upto scratch "mobile phone" with todays features. viewty works well with my vista and im happy with that.

i guess if u want music on the go and cool features with the touchpad buy an iphone

but if u want a half decent camera and video recorder and still a decent touchscreen, which u can still listen to music on, go the viewty.

so far i still havent seen a fone that has everything i want.

the n95 comes close but its huge and nokia's are made from crap plastic and battery life sucks. and also i HATE a-gps to hear voice guidance, why should a user have to pay to hear someones voice. neways ill be happy when a fone comes out that has all these things in it, with out it bein symbian coz symbian sucks too,

must have

stainless or brushed aluminium casing
5-7 mp camera with xenon flash, autofocus, led for nite recording, image stabilizer, face recognition, solid lens cover, optical zoom
recording must be at least 30fps or more like the viewty
must be able to play all kinds of movies not just 3gp or divx
must have GPS free to use
at least 2.6" sceen VGA with a scratch proof glass
wifi, bluetooth 2, hsdpa, hsupa, 3g, edge
preferably no touch screen or touch buttons
micro sd slot upto 32gb
1200mah battery
pic and ringtone assignment in phonebook
plays mp3's obviously
must have file system like the sony k850
games is an option (not a fan of games on fones)
accelometer for autorotate
flash themes with shake abilities
music player like the psp
alarm setup like in the sonys
size and weight doesnt matter coz heavier fones feel better to me
no platics keys, must be metal of some sort

all of the things here are things i would use and appreciate
including looks and design as ugly fones just dont appeal at all

[Jemster]

Originally Posted by PH47CH

my mate installed itunes coz he bought the ipod, he was removing songs from his playlist, but later found out it was removing the permenantly. he was so pissed...

Heh, yeah I'd be pissed too if that happened, but I hate to say it, he must've been doing something wrong, all the actual songs are in the LIBRARY->Music (top of the left hand pane), the playlists are simply references to the items in your library, you can have the same song in many playlists, or no playlists and it makes no difference as to whether it's still in the library or not. Deleting from a playlist never deletes from the library.

Originally Posted by PH47CH

i personally prefer just drag and drop mp3 players, just like my sony ericsson k850 was. i never needed software to copy to and from the phone, the viewty is the same, i plug the cable in, it pops up with "what do i want to do" and then i transfer, now im fairly computer literate, ive built plenty of computers and have messed around with different types of software and i found itunes hard to use and hard to transfer songs. it also renamed every song he had, where as we had already typed them out all nice and neat ie
01 - song name.mp3

There's an option for this - iTunes can either respect the original location of the song, in which case it won't touch it, or it can be set to copy the file into its own folder hierarchy. On the Mac it's under Preferences->Advanced and there's an option "Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library" and there's another one called "Keep iTunes Music folder organised" that handles all the renaming.

I agree it's complete overkill for a lot of people, especially when dealing with lower capacity phones / mp3 players. My first mp3 player was an iRiver H-120 and it was a drag & drop USB mass storage device and once I'd got up to close on its 20GB capacity it was just painful, as someone who's always adding stuff to my PC library, to add & remove just the items I'd changed or the subset of items I wanted to keep on the player as opposed to on the PC, and I ended up with various little utilities to do the jobs for me. Now I just plug my 60GB iPod into my iTunes, it syncs, I unplug it, that's it, job done.

Originally Posted by PH47CH

i downloaded safari and installed it and it never loaded, so figured it was crap anyway. i use mozilla and its great, way beta than ie7 or 8

doesnt lag like ie and can load more pages in one go.

Yeah Safari on Windows isn't wonderful, I think it suffers the same problem as iTunes on Windows, trying to be too OS X like and it doesn't gel with the Windows style. I got it on my work PC but usually end up with Firefox instead.

Originally Posted by PH47CH

back to the iphone vs viewty, i guess iphones will always work better with mac software but still in my eyes isnt really an upto scratch "mobile phone" with todays features. viewty works well with my vista and im happy with that.

See that comes back to one of the things Harrys said about buying an unfinished phone. To an extent I agree, but the difference is that development is continuing on the iPhone, it's already had several updates, it will continue to receive updates, the updates are included in the deal and have always been stated as such. The Viewty on the other hand has bugs and annoyances and LG are continually fobbing off us poor suckers with alternating promises of updates / denial that there is any update.

Originally Posted by PH47CH

so far i still havent seen a fone that has everything i want.

AMEN!


Sorry Harry for not replying earlier but...

Originally Posted by harrys84

Yeah.. I'm wondering how to connect PC/laptop/PDA to internet using only MONO HEADSET profile? Or.. stereo headset in June? Suggestions, anyone?

Use Wi-Fi to tether to the iPhone, not bluetooth.

Originally Posted by harrys84

... it also means that I CAN NOT exchange stuff between two phones... Yes, for example mp3's, photos, some random documents.. whatever.

Or you could use a small pen drive, at a fiver for 2GB it's not going to break the bank.

Originally Posted by harrys84

* no voice dialling (what's the point of bluetooth wich only supports usual hands-free profile? when driving? stop and dial?)
* no 3G... (with viewty i don't have to go to wifi hotspot to get faster connection)
* no JAVA

We got no voice dialling on the Viewty
We got no wi-fi on the Viewty so if you are at a wi-fi hotspot (e.g. your home) you still end up having to pay data charges to your mobile operator
Java will be along soon, but it's hardly going to be a necessity with the native apps and SDK except to port pre-existing apps I suspect.

Anyway horses for courses an' all that I'll certainly be watching closely in June to see what materialises. IF the "leaks" are anything to go by this 2nd one will get my money - hacked of course!

[joe13]

To my knowledge IE7 is now in no way tied to Vista.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure in Win 98 (SE) I could load internat pages in an explorer window... With things like always on connections, online file storage & online applications & it being the 21st century and all I'm kinda miffed I have to load up another app to browse the web when if microsoft had their way I'd probably be tabbing and dragging and dropping between local folders and online sites - we could've had widgets in explorer.

As someone once pointed out - its their OS let them do what they want with it, noone makes you buy it and if they make it so bad no one will and they'll lose $$$. If they dont want other programs running on their OS or want to integrate features then thats their choice really. Your choice is which OS to buy.

If I make a program its my choice what it does. Just cos millions of people bought it cos they liked it/it worked doesn't mean they get to decide what it does now.

[tomtoon]

IE7 safari and firefox have TABS. So you don't have to open another window.